In exchange for this help, Hamer would get the Texas governor to issue a pardon to Methvin for the crimes that he had committed in Texas. Whether this is true?.. I am not close to that side of my family. I do not recall the details. With that, Hamer took the pistol away from his assailant and began beating McMeans about the head and shoulders.While this was going on, H.E. I'm not saying we should cut it completely, but anyone mind if I trim it back? McMeans and Hamer came face to face on the sidewalk as the latter exited the garage. ----Travis Hamer However, his shotgun blast, fired at close range, missed Hamer entirely. Who cares that he sat on the back porch eating watermelon? --In "I'm Frank Hamer"; Hamer says he yelled :"Stick 'em up!" I posted in the discussion section of the article to provide some perspective from someone who has a direct connection to Frank Hamer, who has access to his papers, journals, and correspondance. If so please have him contact me at scottwilleford@suddenlink.net That is the plain truth, which we sugarcoated in the article. Slow down and actually read, and understand what people are telling you -- your replies at the Talk page (just to pick one, the odd response about the Hinton article) indicate that you constantly misunderstand. One of those was Texas Ranger Capt. "Look a there"; she said "His head just bounced like a rubber ball!" Yet despite Hamer's efforts, Stevenson lost to Lyndon Johnson." To the very end, however, he was known as a Texas Ranger, a man at arms, who helped bring the lawless frontier to a close. Hamer show him armed with a Winchester Model 1894 carbine, probably in .30-30 Win., and also a Savage Model 1899. I agree with you also that if he feels the perception of his great grandfather is biased, he should take the materials he has to E.R. I am reading as fast as I can to "get my mind around" the complex stories of Hamer and his times. Hinton's is generally considered by historians the best account of the ambush, and Hinton makes clear that there were considerable reservations by some of the posse about firing on Bonnie without warning. let's have history reported as it occurred. What about researching Hamer and the Texas Rangers of his era(s) and adding information that shows other parts to the man - darker stories? If you can show us something in writing from a respected historian that disputes what Hinton's son says, or is in the accepted accounts by Milner and the other experts on the era, it will be placed in the article. Autopsy photos clearly show two head shots on the pair. Im sure it's not a reading comprehension problem so I have to guess you just have no intention of fuctioning here in I tried to head off this very thing starting back on December 29. Mar 31, 2019 - Francis Augustus Hamer was a peace officer from 1906 to 1932. Frank had 6 siblings: Dennis D Estill Hamer , Sanford Clinton Hamer , Harrison Lester Hamer , E P Hamer , Alma Dell Knoll and Flavious Letherage Hamer . When the couple killed two highway patrol officers in Grape Vine, Bonnie pointed her shotgun over a dying one's head and fired. A movie is set to be made about Frank Hamer and Manny Gault called Im reading at Google Books and Wikipedia, trying to get an understanding of those areas in & before Hamer's day, Hamer and his personae, the TX Rangers, border wars with Mexico. Then there's Dr. Dooley who spent a good portion of his life administering to lepers in indochina and died of the disease...as did Padre Pio. I noticed one of the headers had an embedded link to a very suspect page, so I tried to go back to a version without the link to save random people from catching a virus or whatever else might be at the linked site. These are not my opinions, see Finally, the issue of historians being biased against him - are you seriously accusing Doctor Milner, or John Treherne, for instance, two very well respected historians, of being biased against Frank Hamer because they told the truth about his ambush of a girl not wanted for any major crime, and the terrible aftermath, where Hamer allowed people to literally cut off her dress for souvenirs?

I'll repeat that I am not trying to get the article changed. I think Frank Hamer was a murdering thug, no better than Clyde Barrow - heck, worse, Barrow did not shoot women! Are you saying that your changes to the F Hamer article are things you copied from another article, therefore they should be in this article?

Tecas elections at that time were notoriously crooked, and his involvement was on behalf of politicians he believed in or who were friends, not to the highest bidder. :)
When Mrs. Hamer ran out of ammunition, Phillips closed for the kill. Hinton's book specifically refutes the "lurch" theory, and Hamer's own statements like "they weren't gonna ride away this time, period, we were gonna put em in the ground." Nor can you give us original research with what you allege are family papers. As to the issues themselves, you claim that your greatgrandfather had the right to lie in ambush and shoot a girl at least 25 times not wanted for any crime other than helping transport a stolen car because she was "part of a gang of murderous thugs." As a result, his narrative, and his conclusions, are valueless for our purposes here. (Though I suppose one could argue the President has such authority to suspend the constitution in times of national emergency – but this was not such an occasion!) Your greatgrandfather's actions were every bit as much murder as Clyde Barrow's shooting of various people. B&C were here...they died... they are gone...Still we celebrate their legend along with Jesse James, "William Bonney", Wyatt Earp, Doc. My great grandmother said her father was frank hamer. Why the quote marks around "check"? Just wondering. And, unfortunately, after his death some of his biographers made it sound as though Hamer was leader of the investigation, rarely mentioning the six other lawmen involved. parker was screaming. I once told his son, Frank Hamer, Jr., that I thought the actual number was probably less than a dozen, and he told me I was right.For a man to have survived this much gun smoke, he had to be good with a firearm, and Hamer was certainly that. two patrolmen had been killed!


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