deoend how sensitive you are. My great-grandfather was even locked up by the Nazis for being a Social-Democrat City Council Member in Jülich. I would be interested in hearing more about this from CM fans in Germany as an interesting and informative dialogue.
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Originally posted by PanzerShark: I'm sure today's population of Italy doesn't begrudge the ancient Roman Emipre's trodgeries. After the ceremony was over, she told reporters that she considered her invitation “a gift of history.”When those other leaders went to Normandy for ceremonies on D-Day itself on Thursday, Merkel was back in Berlin, holding a regular meeting with governors and discussing bilateral relations with the prime minister of Kosovo.Many Germans who survived World War II had supported Hitler and the Nazi race ideology that led to the murder of 6 million Jews in Europe — and they were devastated by the downfall of the Third Reich.“After 1945, Germans first referred to the end of World War II as ‘collapse,’” said Johannes Tuchel, director of the German Resistance Memorial Center.Their children, however, were faced with rebuilding the country from the ground up from the total defeat of the Nazis, and they saw potential rather than defeat.“In the 1950s, it became ‘hour zero’” — a new beginning, Tuchel said.After the country was back on its economic feet, younger Germans started to question their elders, culminating in the “1968 movement” in which students confronted their parents with the atrocities committed during the Third Reich.Out of that era has grown today’s complex attitude.“It has been a process to the point today where it is seen as Germany’s liberation from the Nazis by the Allied forces,” Tuchel said.German leaders have largely followed the changing attitudes — and in some cases led them.In 1985, then-West German President Richard von Weizsaecker called the Nazi defeat Germany’s “day of liberation” in a speech marking the 40th anniversary of the war’s end.
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Originally posted by Maximus: But most looked down upon were these German women not the GI's. By your line of reasoning, I guess I should feel shame because my ancestors owned slaves in the old South here in USA. So although people don't want to talk about it and try to bury the past, the threads are still there in the background.

Communist) rivers or do some "underground" rivers in America also provide anti-American sediment? After a few years of this people don't remember how they got caught up in the domineering side, also it is very difficult for them to quit after they are in, they would become examples for the others in the group. Perhaps if the thread had been worded differently it might have resulted in a more positive impression about where this could potentially go. The vast majority, of course, do not think that way. [This message has been edited by Germanboy (edited 06-21-2000). Two comments - first what is objective, if you always have to remember that the war effort did not happen in a vacuum.
Sorry for the ramble, but this topic was one of the things that kindled my interest in politics a long time ago.Yes, I think that the population of Germany today should just get over the guilt of the The American government interred many thousands of Japanese during WW2. And although your statement is correct it would like to say the world was in one big crazy war. After all, the worst camps were in Poland. Des it annoy germans being constantly being reminded of a lost war, or do you ignore the politics and the fact that your probably shooting at your own countymen, and just enjoy the game?sorry about the incredibly poor spelling - i rushedthanks for your answers folks - i honestly thought i would get more answers to this question...well some brits dont like media representations of the war either.

But over the decades, Germans’ attitudes toward the war have evolved from a sense of defeat to something far more complex.While the leaders of France, Britain, the United States and Canada went to England to commemorate the troops’ sacrifice and duty on Wednesday, Merkel listened quietly. They have veterans organization throughout German cities, but these are mostly for camaraderie and for keeping in touch, and relieving their war experiences. A lot of Germans did'nt want to be at war but were subject to their goverments will, just like Americans have been many times over. I don't think that accusations are the right way forward. They SHOULD have some shame upon them how SOME of that generation acted. Schroeder called von Stauffenberg a hero — erasing the Nazis’ “traitor” label that had lingered after the war.Merkel, who at 64 is the first chancellor born after World War II, has taken the new German self-image even further.On Tuesday in Portsmouth, the embarkation point for the Allied force that invaded Nazi-occupied France in 1944, Merkel called D-Day a “unique, unprecedented military operation that eventually brought us in Germany the liberation from National Socialism,” the Nazi political movement.She noted that the war’s end brought Germany’s rebirth as a leading European democracy, saying it was D-Day that set in motion the “reconciliation and unification of Europe, but also the entire postwar order that has brought us more than 70 years of peace.”Unlike the many grand monuments to the Soviet and western Allied troops who fought against the Nazis, German tributes to its troops are typically understated.Fallen soldiers are commemorated in humble memorials on village squares across the country listing the names of the dead — often grouping the casualties of World Wars I and II.In schools, the military history of World War II is rarely a focus of instruction, with lessons instead concentrating on Holocaust education and the Nazi dictatorship.When there are tributes, they tend to be more for members of the German resistance who were executed by the Nazis — the students who distributed anti-Nazi flyers at Munich University; the Red Orchestra network bent on sabotaging the Nazis’ war machine; or those like von Stauffenberg who tried to assassinate Hitler.And next year, Berlin has declared a holiday for May 8, marking the 75th anniversary of Nazi Germany’s unconditional surrender.Of course, not all in Germany see the Nazi era the same way.

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